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		<title>By: pastor babar jamil</title>
		<link>http://www.bencotten.net/2008/02/04/john-piper-prosperity-gospel/comment-page-1/#comment-2025</link>
		<dc:creator>pastor babar jamil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 16:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if we have no spirit of jesus we r not  jesus people.pastor babar jamil. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if we have no spirit of jesus we r not  jesus people.pastor babar jamil.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Cotten</title>
		<link>http://www.bencotten.net/2008/02/04/john-piper-prosperity-gospel/comment-page-1/#comment-1967</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Cotten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 14:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, man, this is seriously great stuff.  Thanks so much for sharing it here. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, man, this is seriously great stuff.  Thanks so much for sharing it here.</p>
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		<title>By: John Eells</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Eells</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 02:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Suffering: A Poem To Joel Osteen  
by John Eells 
 
Joel Osteen you are a Champion.   
Even your name sounds like  
esteem.  You are reassuring,  
unable to offend, and I cannot   
help but like you.  Yet I wonder,  
where do you put pain?  You  
manage headaches and American  
depression, but what about big 
suffering, like that mentioned in  
Hebrews five, verse seven?  Are  
people who obey God happy and 
content?  Sinless Jesus learned 
obedience by what he underwent. 
 
Well meant are your admonitions.   
You believe in good decisions and in 
Jesus by whom promises are given.   
Don&#8217;t forget, as Christians, we  
confess best intentions as hankerings 
to be a mannequin or a magician.   
Listen, one pastor said, you&#8217;ll know 
you&#8217;ve encountered God when  
you limp.  We are inexorable.  
Happiness feels foreign.  Oh, to be 
sleek like plastic, to live with  
faith-expectant.  If only our ragged,  
souls were not so bent.   
 
Words are power, but  
we don&#8217;t hear them.  Coaxing  
can&#8217;t turn us, we must be caught!  
We have a worship problem.   
We won&#8217;t receive a gift until   
our hands are shaking.   
Ask the poet, ask Bob Dylan&#8212; 
behind every beautiful thing  
there is persistent aching.    
Where are your sick, your sad,  
your malcontents?  We read  
your books to become smooth and  
stiff.  Prop us up behind plate glass.   
We want to be convinced.  But  
we must 
 
ask ourselves, do we love the poor;  
do we pay attention?  Imagine  
you visit the slums of Kolkata with  
the late Mother Theresa. 
You&#8217;re both smiling.  She sees 
the people, you look at them.   
You stand straight, full of promise.   
She is crooked from leaning into  
their faces.  You want to  
help them, but you&#8217;re stuck in that  
position.  The masses are borne up by 
her cracks and creases. 
Gleaming teeth shame them.  So 
 
let&#8217;s close our mouths for a season.   
You&#8217;ve built an empire on  
your congenial smile.  Swap it  
every so often, for a look of  
desperation.  Do you want people to  
be like you or be forgiven? 
If the idol fell you would  
get bruised, but you might  
stop encouraging belief in  
a god who gives his best only 
to those who follow the rules.   
That god is ruthless and his 
face is never at rest. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suffering: A Poem To Joel Osteen<br />
by John Eells </p>
<p>Joel Osteen you are a Champion.<br />
Even your name sounds like<br />
esteem.  You are reassuring,<br />
unable to offend, and I cannot<br />
help but like you.  Yet I wonder,<br />
where do you put pain?  You<br />
manage headaches and American<br />
depression, but what about big<br />
suffering, like that mentioned in<br />
Hebrews five, verse seven?  Are<br />
people who obey God happy and<br />
content?  Sinless Jesus learned<br />
obedience by what he underwent. </p>
<p>Well meant are your admonitions.<br />
You believe in good decisions and in<br />
Jesus by whom promises are given.<br />
Don&rsquo;t forget, as Christians, we<br />
confess best intentions as hankerings<br />
to be a mannequin or a magician.<br />
Listen, one pastor said, you&rsquo;ll know<br />
you&rsquo;ve encountered God when<br />
you limp.  We are inexorable.<br />
Happiness feels foreign.  Oh, to be<br />
sleek like plastic, to live with<br />
faith-expectant.  If only our ragged,<br />
souls were not so bent.   </p>
<p>Words are power, but<br />
we don&rsquo;t hear them.  Coaxing<br />
can&rsquo;t turn us, we must be caught!<br />
We have a worship problem.<br />
We won&rsquo;t receive a gift until<br />
our hands are shaking.<br />
Ask the poet, ask Bob Dylan&mdash;<br />
behind every beautiful thing<br />
there is persistent aching.<br />
Where are your sick, your sad,<br />
your malcontents?  We read<br />
your books to become smooth and<br />
stiff.  Prop us up behind plate glass.<br />
We want to be convinced.  But<br />
we must </p>
<p>ask ourselves, do we love the poor;<br />
do we pay attention?  Imagine<br />
you visit the slums of Kolkata with<br />
the late Mother Theresa.<br />
You&rsquo;re both smiling.  She sees<br />
the people, you look at them.<br />
You stand straight, full of promise.<br />
She is crooked from leaning into<br />
their faces.  You want to<br />
help them, but you&rsquo;re stuck in that<br />
position.  The masses are borne up by<br />
her cracks and creases.<br />
Gleaming teeth shame them.  So </p>
<p>let&rsquo;s close our mouths for a season.<br />
You&rsquo;ve built an empire on<br />
your congenial smile.  Swap it<br />
every so often, for a look of<br />
desperation.  Do you want people to<br />
be like you or be forgiven?<br />
If the idol fell you would<br />
get bruised, but you might<br />
stop encouraging belief in<br />
a god who gives his best only<br />
to those who follow the rules.<br />
That god is ruthless and his<br />
face is never at rest.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh R</title>
		<link>http://www.bencotten.net/2008/02/04/john-piper-prosperity-gospel/comment-page-1/#comment-1231</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 18:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Worldly prosperity is a curse.  God knows that and has something better for us.

And yes, the prosperity gospel is idolatry that puts the gifts above the giver.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Worldly prosperity is a curse.  God knows that and has something better for us.</p>
<p>And yes, the prosperity gospel is idolatry that puts the gifts above the giver.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://www.bencotten.net/2008/02/04/john-piper-prosperity-gospel/comment-page-1/#comment-1228</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 18:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I realize that many will be offended by Piper in this, and I understand their objections.

With that said, my feeling is that Piper is a prophetic voice in this area, that God is using him. Maybe we wouldn&#039;t use the same words, or even would rather him not use words like &quot;crap&quot; from the pulpit. However, I think he&#039;s performing a prophetic function in the church here.

The reason I say that is because the abuses of the prosperity message has become a real thorn in the side of the church, and is doing almost inestimable harm to the cause of Christ. Of of the leading voices in popular Christianity, there have been so few corrective voices in this area. I, for one, am grateful to John Piper for his spirited response.

Grace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realize that many will be offended by Piper in this, and I understand their objections.</p>
<p>With that said, my feeling is that Piper is a prophetic voice in this area, that God is using him. Maybe we wouldn&#8217;t use the same words, or even would rather him not use words like &#8220;crap&#8221; from the pulpit. However, I think he&#8217;s performing a prophetic function in the church here.</p>
<p>The reason I say that is because the abuses of the prosperity message has become a real thorn in the side of the church, and is doing almost inestimable harm to the cause of Christ. Of of the leading voices in popular Christianity, there have been so few corrective voices in this area. I, for one, am grateful to John Piper for his spirited response.</p>
<p>Grace.</p>
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		<title>By: ded</title>
		<link>http://www.bencotten.net/2008/02/04/john-piper-prosperity-gospel/comment-page-1/#comment-1226</link>
		<dc:creator>ded</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 11:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a difference between prosperity, the fruit of diligence working under God&#039;s blessing by the direct involvment of the Holy Spirit and the prosperity gospel, which mixes the truth of Jesus with the greed-fruit of the spirit of this age.

Paul considered those who preached the gospel out of an improper attitude to be nothing to worry about; since the gospel was being preached, he was thankful. He must have known something of what they were saying clearly spoke the revelation of Jesus or he would have stated a clear warning.

The prosperity gospel hides the truth and therefore is deadly in a spiritual sense.  It is not about man redeemed to communion with God and then reflecting Him. It is about get what you can out of the Cash-register god, whom they claim is named Jesus. This teaching, in my opinion, declares what is good, bad and what is bad as good. Hatred may be the wrong word for describing being totally and honestly against something, but it is an understandable human response when one counts the cost to human life of turning Jesus into a literal golden cow.

We are in a quandary in this day and time over how to extend acceptance and love for anyone regardless of their value system, while standing against the spirit of the anti-christ. It may be that if we learned through the Holy Spirit how to identify the spirit afflicting a human, we would be better able to love the human while exposing the false god.  Just another plug for Christians to leave trusting in religion and become those who seek and know the in-dwelling Christ more fully.  ;^)

In the mean time, it seems prudent (and, yes, I may be wrong, so help me sort this out) to be willing and able to expose anything used as a descriptor of the Gospel as suspect.  Are we &quot;charismatic&quot; Christians,&quot;systematic theology&quot; Christians,&quot;holiness&quot; Christians, &quot;social gospel&quot;, &quot;fundamental gospel&quot;, &quot;orthodox gospel&quot;, ...ad infinitum. The Gospel of Jesus Christ needs no qualifying adjectives or other delineating modifiers.  It stands on its own as the Truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a difference between prosperity, the fruit of diligence working under God&#8217;s blessing by the direct involvment of the Holy Spirit and the prosperity gospel, which mixes the truth of Jesus with the greed-fruit of the spirit of this age.</p>
<p>Paul considered those who preached the gospel out of an improper attitude to be nothing to worry about; since the gospel was being preached, he was thankful. He must have known something of what they were saying clearly spoke the revelation of Jesus or he would have stated a clear warning.</p>
<p>The prosperity gospel hides the truth and therefore is deadly in a spiritual sense.  It is not about man redeemed to communion with God and then reflecting Him. It is about get what you can out of the Cash-register god, whom they claim is named Jesus. This teaching, in my opinion, declares what is good, bad and what is bad as good. Hatred may be the wrong word for describing being totally and honestly against something, but it is an understandable human response when one counts the cost to human life of turning Jesus into a literal golden cow.</p>
<p>We are in a quandary in this day and time over how to extend acceptance and love for anyone regardless of their value system, while standing against the spirit of the anti-christ. It may be that if we learned through the Holy Spirit how to identify the spirit afflicting a human, we would be better able to love the human while exposing the false god.  Just another plug for Christians to leave trusting in religion and become those who seek and know the in-dwelling Christ more fully.  ;^)</p>
<p>In the mean time, it seems prudent (and, yes, I may be wrong, so help me sort this out) to be willing and able to expose anything used as a descriptor of the Gospel as suspect.  Are we &#8220;charismatic&#8221; Christians,&#8221;systematic theology&#8221; Christians,&#8221;holiness&#8221; Christians, &#8220;social gospel&#8221;, &#8220;fundamental gospel&#8221;, &#8220;orthodox gospel&#8221;, &#8230;ad infinitum. The Gospel of Jesus Christ needs no qualifying adjectives or other delineating modifiers.  It stands on its own as the Truth.</p>
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		<title>By: tom</title>
		<link>http://www.bencotten.net/2008/02/04/john-piper-prosperity-gospel/comment-page-1/#comment-1225</link>
		<dc:creator>tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 04:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the Gospel is Jesus Christ. Prosperity is not me believing for million dollars and hope it comes true. Prosperity to me is stewardship. My contentment is in Christ. He satisfy me. I am after Christ. In everyday life I want to improve on my job, in my family, and even in my finances. I want to get a better position at my job or a raise. To me that is me being a steward in what I am involved in and growing in areas of my life. That can be a form of prosperity. There are two ext reams. One is  If you give a dollar you will get back 7,000 dollars. That is wrong in the sense of putting your faith in money rather than God. On the hand the other extream  I have to suffer and be poor and that draws me closer to God. In James it says Draw near to God and he will draw near to you. I do want to be a good steward with my time, my family, my money, my ministry, my job, and in everything I do. I believe the word prosper is cast in a bad light because we see bmws, with million dollars in that word and both parties fight who is right. I just want to love Jesus and point people to Him. As Christians we can prosper in a friendship by becoming better friends. So prosperity is not the gospel but is a good steward I can make good choices, wise investments. I can eat right and excerise. On my job I can get promoted. I could start a business and want it to succeed. I am in ministry and I believe God to meet my needs as I am in ministry. At the same time I never ask anyone for a dime nor to I promote if they give me something they will get something back. I do pray that they will draw closer to God. To me drawing closer to God is what its all about. The word prosper means to succeed in an activity. Is that wrong?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the Gospel is Jesus Christ. Prosperity is not me believing for million dollars and hope it comes true. Prosperity to me is stewardship. My contentment is in Christ. He satisfy me. I am after Christ. In everyday life I want to improve on my job, in my family, and even in my finances. I want to get a better position at my job or a raise. To me that is me being a steward in what I am involved in and growing in areas of my life. That can be a form of prosperity. There are two ext reams. One is  If you give a dollar you will get back 7,000 dollars. That is wrong in the sense of putting your faith in money rather than God. On the hand the other extream  I have to suffer and be poor and that draws me closer to God. In James it says Draw near to God and he will draw near to you. I do want to be a good steward with my time, my family, my money, my ministry, my job, and in everything I do. I believe the word prosper is cast in a bad light because we see bmws, with million dollars in that word and both parties fight who is right. I just want to love Jesus and point people to Him. As Christians we can prosper in a friendship by becoming better friends. So prosperity is not the gospel but is a good steward I can make good choices, wise investments. I can eat right and excerise. On my job I can get promoted. I could start a business and want it to succeed. I am in ministry and I believe God to meet my needs as I am in ministry. At the same time I never ask anyone for a dime nor to I promote if they give me something they will get something back. I do pray that they will draw closer to God. To me drawing closer to God is what its all about. The word prosper means to succeed in an activity. Is that wrong?</p>
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