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	<title>Comments on: Missional Church</title>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
		<link>http://www.bencotten.net/2007/10/10/missional_church/comment-page-1/#comment-2121</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 20:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More good stuff! I hadn&#039;t heard Keller for a long time until today, thanks for posting this up. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More good stuff! I hadn&#039;t heard Keller for a long time until today, thanks for posting this up.</p>
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		<title>By: lew</title>
		<link>http://www.bencotten.net/2007/10/10/missional_church/comment-page-1/#comment-605</link>
		<dc:creator>lew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 20:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;most non-Christians can&#039;t even begin to relate to them.&quot; - Tim Keller

That is well-said.

When I throw a party at my house and almost 50 people attend, it can often be challenging to figure out who the Chritians are and who the non-Christians are. There are some obvious give-aways: like the girl wearing the &quot;Christian&quot; t-shirt, or the guy who is drunk and slurring F-bombs.

But I love the fact that, for the most part, my non-Christian friends are relating to my &quot;normal&quot; Christian friends without knowing any better.

Then later, when I tell them that half of the people at the party were Christians, they are pleasantly surprised to find that these people were quite &quot;normal&quot;,easily able to conversate, and actually had more than a few things in common with them.

We try to throw at least 4 big parties each year. If every Christian I knew threw these kind of &quot;open-invite&quot; parties on a semi-regular basis, the Christian life would actually be fun, and possibly even attractive. Not to mention, I&#039;d get to go to a lot of parties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;most non-Christians can&#8217;t even begin to relate to them.&#8221; &#8211; Tim Keller</p>
<p>That is well-said.</p>
<p>When I throw a party at my house and almost 50 people attend, it can often be challenging to figure out who the Chritians are and who the non-Christians are. There are some obvious give-aways: like the girl wearing the &#8220;Christian&#8221; t-shirt, or the guy who is drunk and slurring F-bombs.</p>
<p>But I love the fact that, for the most part, my non-Christian friends are relating to my &#8220;normal&#8221; Christian friends without knowing any better.</p>
<p>Then later, when I tell them that half of the people at the party were Christians, they are pleasantly surprised to find that these people were quite &#8220;normal&#8221;,easily able to conversate, and actually had more than a few things in common with them.</p>
<p>We try to throw at least 4 big parties each year. If every Christian I knew threw these kind of &#8220;open-invite&#8221; parties on a semi-regular basis, the Christian life would actually be fun, and possibly even attractive. Not to mention, I&#8217;d get to go to a lot of parties.</p>
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		<title>By: Priscilla</title>
		<link>http://www.bencotten.net/2007/10/10/missional_church/comment-page-1/#comment-604</link>
		<dc:creator>Priscilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everything begins in our relationship with Christ.  If it doesn&#039;t begin with Christ, what&#039;s the point?  I remember, after letting Jesus inside, having a sense of some unwritten code in the church that I didn&#039;t understand.  It was like all of a sudden, because I was a believer now, I wasn&#039;t supposed to have anymore doubts, fears, frustrations, goals etc.  I wasn&#039;t supposed to &quot;question&quot; anything - especially churchy stuff.  In other words, I felt like I wasn&#039;t supposed to be REAL anymore and that bothered me!!  Because now, I had even MORE questions...   

Many churches do have an &quot;atmosphere of exclusion&quot; and there is an â€œenormous us/them mentality&quot; and unbelievers most likely will sense that.  What can we do to make people feel truly welcome and comfortable?  I think it helps if we&#039;re WILLING to be open, genuine, and REAL with people.  I think presenting the gospel should be kept simple (for it really is simple) and not cluttered with our own personal gobblygook (sp?).  Of course, this means we must be willing to get outside our own comfort zone with people.  We have to be willing to take the TIME to establish relationships with people outside our church sphere.  It takes a lot of work to do this...  Are we willing to go there?  It&#039;s a scary place outside of our comfortableness...

On the other hand, we&#039;ve got to understand that not everyone will be receptive to &quot;hearing&quot; the gospel.  What are we to do with this?  Love them - because Jesus loved them and died for them too.  They&#039;re not really rejecting us, they are rejecting Jesus.

Boy, this post you wrote Ben has many, many angles to it.  This type of post would be a great discussion for a small group full of unbelievers/believers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everything begins in our relationship with Christ.  If it doesn&#8217;t begin with Christ, what&#8217;s the point?  I remember, after letting Jesus inside, having a sense of some unwritten code in the church that I didn&#8217;t understand.  It was like all of a sudden, because I was a believer now, I wasn&#8217;t supposed to have anymore doubts, fears, frustrations, goals etc.  I wasn&#8217;t supposed to &#8220;question&#8221; anything &#8211; especially churchy stuff.  In other words, I felt like I wasn&#8217;t supposed to be REAL anymore and that bothered me!!  Because now, I had even MORE questions&#8230;   </p>
<p>Many churches do have an &#8220;atmosphere of exclusion&#8221; and there is an â€œenormous us/them mentality&#8221; and unbelievers most likely will sense that.  What can we do to make people feel truly welcome and comfortable?  I think it helps if we&#8217;re WILLING to be open, genuine, and REAL with people.  I think presenting the gospel should be kept simple (for it really is simple) and not cluttered with our own personal gobblygook (sp?).  Of course, this means we must be willing to get outside our own comfort zone with people.  We have to be willing to take the TIME to establish relationships with people outside our church sphere.  It takes a lot of work to do this&#8230;  Are we willing to go there?  It&#8217;s a scary place outside of our comfortableness&#8230;</p>
<p>On the other hand, we&#8217;ve got to understand that not everyone will be receptive to &#8220;hearing&#8221; the gospel.  What are we to do with this?  Love them &#8211; because Jesus loved them and died for them too.  They&#8217;re not really rejecting us, they are rejecting Jesus.</p>
<p>Boy, this post you wrote Ben has many, many angles to it.  This type of post would be a great discussion for a small group full of unbelievers/believers.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Cotten</title>
		<link>http://www.bencotten.net/2007/10/10/missional_church/comment-page-1/#comment-603</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Cotten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have a point.  I think a lot of times the reason we shrink away from connection to unbelievers is because we are afraid that the gospel simply won&#039;t work for them because of our own issues.

So, I guess missional living starts (like everything else) in our relationship with Christ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have a point.  I think a lot of times the reason we shrink away from connection to unbelievers is because we are afraid that the gospel simply won&#8217;t work for them because of our own issues.</p>
<p>So, I guess missional living starts (like everything else) in our relationship with Christ?</p>
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		<title>By: Priscilla</title>
		<link>http://www.bencotten.net/2007/10/10/missional_church/comment-page-1/#comment-602</link>
		<dc:creator>Priscilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 12:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does the gospel work or not? Is it really relevant to my life or not? If it is, then why canâ€™t we preach it that way? Why are so many of us seemingly incapable of talking about Jesus in a way that doesnâ€™t make Him seem distant and dead?

Do you think it may be that as believers, we also have a difficult time deeply believing the relevancy of the gospel to our own life and that Jesus does seem distant and dead even to us (except maybe for our ticket out of hell)? Just asking...  I really do wonder if most of us have had a life-changing encounter with the person Jesus Christ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does the gospel work or not? Is it really relevant to my life or not? If it is, then why canâ€™t we preach it that way? Why are so many of us seemingly incapable of talking about Jesus in a way that doesnâ€™t make Him seem distant and dead?</p>
<p>Do you think it may be that as believers, we also have a difficult time deeply believing the relevancy of the gospel to our own life and that Jesus does seem distant and dead even to us (except maybe for our ticket out of hell)? Just asking&#8230;  I really do wonder if most of us have had a life-changing encounter with the person Jesus Christ&#8230;</p>
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